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NJCQEC    88
1 hour ago, GTOInfinity said:

Why? 

 

Because HS is a no-skill required badge that allows you to practically cheat damage, it's also an excuse for the M2 to be called "OP". 

People who use HS on a regular basis will find that once they dequip it, their skill level may drop by 22.5%, and in response... they'll keep the badge on forever. Guns that 3hk should be allowed to 3hk, and not be ruined by a badge that is blatant cheats. 

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8 hours ago, NJCQEC said:

Because HS is a no-skill required badge that allows you to practically cheat damage, it's also an excuse for the M2 to be called "OP". 

People who use HS on a regular basis will find that once they dequip it, their skill level may drop by 22.5%, and in response... they'll keep the badge on forever. Guns that 3hk should be allowed to 3hk, and not be ruined by a badge that is blatant cheats. 

Badges are options for the players to fill in problems they face in combat. Such as the need to heal quicker via first aid, or the need to reload faster, by fast reload. Heavy set is no exception. It's not that once they remove the badge they become "less skillful", they just become less mortal to more unskilled things such as recon or fragmentation.  Infact heavyset is mainly used particularly to combat one shot bs. It's not completely noticeable in a gun fight and more in the unfortunate cases such as 1 shot kills. Therefore encouraging the player to get out of hiding(unskilled camping) from recon and to play objective because now they have a fair chance in getting there in the first place without getting one shotted by a recon with no chance nore importance of being able to return fire

 

Please dont cry about a gameplay feature that you're not even good with or without 

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NJCQEC    88
12 minutes ago, VIEF_Cheesecake said:

Badges are options for the players to fill in problems they face in combat. Such as the need to heal quicker via first aid, or the need to reload faster, by fast reload. Heavy set is no exception. It's not that once they remove the badge they become "less skillful", they just become less mortal to more unskilled things such as recon or fragmentation.  Infact heavyset is mainly used particularly to combat one shot bs. It's not completely noticeable in a gun fight and more in the unfortunate cases such as 1 shot kills. Therefore encouraging the player to get out of hiding(unskilled camping) from recon and to play objective because now they have a fair chance in getting there in the first place without getting one shotted by a recon with no chance nore importance of being able to return fire

 

Please dont cry about a gameplay feature that you're not even good with or without 

Sure, but why does a badge give you a direct option to limit how many shots it takes to kill you? Sure, I could see healing and tight grip as acceptable badges, in fact I use them whenever I can. It's just that a badge that literally rewards players for having LESS skill, is a bit unfair. It doesn't matter how good you are, if your opponent has HS while you do not... that's an almost 100% gg for you, it's incredibly stupid. Recons will be Recons, they aren't beings worth even mentioning or caring about... you really think they'll go out and play the objective? No! they're creatures of darkness my friend, they're slithery, revolting, and disturbing snakes that merely hide in the dirt that happens to be above their entire worth. They'll still camp, they'll still shoot, and most of all? They'll still p*ss me off. Recons are Recons. There is no going back from that. Point and Case: HS is a crutch for skill, it is noticeable, and maybe if you'd get out of your plane you would see it. I'll cry all I damn want about this, try to stop it. 

How can you NOT be good with HS? I mean, you'd have to be TRYING to NOT be good with that badge... it's almost impossible. 

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SirMrGuyHuman    477
6 hours ago, NJCQEC said:

It's just that a badge that literally rewards players for having LESS skill, is a bit unfair

bro why are you using Tight Grip? What, do you not have the skill to control recoil? Omg skilless nerd!!!!!!!!!

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7 hours ago, NJCQEC said:

and maybe if you'd get out of your plane you would see it. I'll cry all I damn want about this, try to stop it.

I can see why you wouldnt like heavy set, after all. Not being able to 0hk poor infantry as recon, camping in a bush somewhere really sucks for ya doesn't it? :^]

 

And what about me flying planes lul, was that the best your copium could come up with?

 

 

 

 

cope

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Mastah    1,206

Sigh....the HSG discussion again...

 

Unskilled players be like: "Heavy set is there to combat OHK recon campers so I can Zerg Rush objectives in a straight line without using brains"..

--> They happen to also use skill crutches like Assault Rifles while they go...

 

Skilled players be like: " Heavy set is a plain health hack for lazy players that need advantages over others and compensate for a lack of skillz and gaming intelligence"

 

Have your pick.

All I'll say is that a crutch such as HSG badge should be removed and instead, new players could get some additional health that goes down as they level up, hence become more experienced and better equipped. Fair and square.

 

But as it is right now, it's outright pathetic to see long time players running around with HSG and assault rifles. 

Furthermore bragging on Twitch T.V about how " skilled they think they are" ROFL.

 

They are the cancer to the game but oh so fun to teabag and whistle when being out skilled.  

So guess we should just let them go... else the last bit of satisfaction in this game is gone too.:D

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Sqeek    729
Just now, Mastah said:

Unskilled players be like: "Heavy set is there to combat OHK recon campers so I can Zerg Rush objectives in a straight line without using brains"..

--> They happen to also use skill crutches like Assault Rifles while they go...

 

Skilled players be like: " Heavy set is a plain health hack for lazy players that need advantages over others and compensate for a lack of skillz and gaming intelligence"

 

Interesting. Who are these skilled players you're talking about?

 

From my experience, skilled players are more like: "Playing this game without HS is pure cancer."

 

Meanwhile, I see unskilled players saying: "Please, remove the health hack, eh, I mean HS, I want to sit in a bush and use my BA. This is skill to me."

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mambooman    216
5 hours ago, Sqeek said:

Meanwhile, I see unskilled players saying: "Please, remove the health hack, eh, I mean HS, I want to sit in a bush and use my BA. This is skill to me."

And this is exactly why I use HSG.  I wouldn't care if they changed it to only impact BA damage.....but to not have it just makes you easy prey for bush wookies.  I pull my 0hk inf sniper every once and awhile and most long time players that I hit with it are obviously running with HSG for that exact reason - to keep from being 0hk.  I see nothing wrong with it and would be fine with moving HSS down lower to help new players.

 

 

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Mastah    1,206
5 hours ago, Sqeek said:

Meanwhile, I see unskilled players saying: "Please, remove the health hack, eh, I mean HS, I want to sit in a bush and use my BA. This is skill to me."

Without ending up in a yeah/neah discussion... The existence of the HSG badge is plain proof of failed (read: broken) game design.

And the discussion will end up in a vicious circle anyway.

 

There's good players remaining from the era where competitive gaming was skill based without helpers (maxed modded AR's and HS badge) that refuse to use them because they feel dirty and prefer outplaying the opponent, there's the occasional bush campers that don't want them because they want easy target practice and there is both good and bad players that DO want them because they either suck or get frustrated when mindlessly zerging for objectives and get picked off by the named campers..

(Oh and don't forget the EZ mode Next Gen lazy players that simply like seal clubbing noobs and brag about it on Twitch...they are the worst but most fun to put your balls in their faces and name your weapons appropriately)

 

If you ever checked upon a list that I compiled from veteran requests (before you even joined) it becomes clear that removal of HSG should not stand by it self. It should go hand in hand with (massive) removal of the Jungle Warfare foliage, cap on specialist classes per match and removal of scopes on infantry rifles. Making objectives smaller again to prevent hide and seek games all the f*cking time just to get HE spammed by tanks and planes.

 

Ergo: the game should focus more on objective and infantry based game play and increasing the game pace as it once used to be.

 

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NJCQEC    88
11 hours ago, VIEF_Cheesecake said:

I can see why you wouldnt like heavy set, after all. Not being able to 0hk poor infantry as recon, camping in a bush somewhere really sucks for ya doesn't it? :^]

 

And what about me flying planes lul, was that the best your copium could come up with?

 

 

 

 

cope

I don't like Recons, I hate them with all my being... And I despise you for thinking that I play recon, when I don't. 

Your plane is an excuse for losers, you do nothing but fly around as if the world does not rely on capturing the objective... how many times have I been team killed by a plane? How many times has a plane missed their bomb by a mile? How useful are planes in reality? and why do you need HS on a plane? Why do they go the speed of light, etc. I respect the right for planes to be in this game, but I don't respect pilots. 

HS = Lower Skill Level. 

PS: Go back to having sexy times with Edgeworth 

 

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Cause I'm just that good

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GTOInfinity    5
On 5/18/2021 at 1:11 AM, SirMrGuyHuman said:

bro why are you using Tight Grip? What, do you not have the skill to control recoil? Omg skilless nerd!!!!!!!!!

or just use your mouse with macro

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On 5/18/2021 at 9:04 AM, NJCQEC said:

I don't like Recons, I hate them with all my being... And I despise you for thinking that I play recon, when I don't. 

Your plane is an excuse for losers, you do nothing but fly around as if the world does not rely on capturing the objective... how many times have I been team killed by a plane? How many times has a plane missed their bomb by a mile? How useful are planes in reality? and why do you need HS on a plane? Why do they go the speed of light, etc. I respect the right for planes to be in this game, but I don't respect pilots. 

HS = Lower Skill Level. 

PS: Go back to having sexy times with Edgeworth 

 

but I play infantry in war

 

 

Was gonna put a video, but I was too lazy 

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SirMrGuyHuman    477
On 5/18/2021 at 10:39 AM, Mastah said:

The existence of the HSG badge is plain proof of failed (read: broken) game design.

omegalul imagine not exploiting fails of bad game

 

I am completely aware of how BS the badge is, which is exactly why I (and basically all other vets) spam the hell out of it lmao

 

On 5/18/2021 at 12:04 PM, NJCQEC said:

HS = Lower Skill Level. 

not using HS = lower brain level, imagine not exploiting this when it's literally one of Reto's biggest failures to date

 

16 hours ago, GTOInfinity said:

or just use your mouse with macro

unfortunately I don't have a mouse that can do motion macros, only button macros

 

ngl the cope going on here is pretty funny, learn to adapt to the scummy ways of others. 

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Sqeek    729
On 5/18/2021 at 4:39 PM, Mastah said:

...  players remaining from the era ... without helpers (maxed modded AR's and HS badge) that refuse to use them because they feel dirty and prefer outplaying the opponent

 

Really, I thought it was more like you and Schilly.

 

On 5/18/2021 at 4:39 PM, Mastah said:

If you ever checked upon a list that I compiled from veteran requests (before you even joined) it becomes clear that removal of HSG should not stand by it self. It should go hand in hand with (massive) removal of the Jungle Warfare foliage, cap on specialist classes per match and removal of scopes on infantry rifles.

 

The date I joined the forums does not correlate with the date I started reading it, nor the date I started playing the game.

 

Massive updates are just not gonna happen, especially considering two more developers just left the burning wreck.

 

Removing HS will simply have too much of a negative impact on the game play for it to be possible. I mean, who wouldn't use a OHK gun? Remember when PTRD was a laser? That was simply insanely broken in the hands of a good player. Now put a scope on that old PTRD and give it 5 bullets. No thanks....

 

On 5/18/2021 at 4:39 PM, Mastah said:

Ergo: the game should focus more on objective and infantry based game play and increasing the game pace as it once used to be.

 

I agree.

 

BUT, playing this game without HS is about as cancer as it goes. It has nothing to do with blindly rushing the objectives or "needing crutches". It is simply that anyone who spots you can just easily one click you down, and you can't do shirt about it without HS. That is NOT promoting active offensive game play, nor is it fun. If people want to play Vasili and farm, they can join the recon only mode and kill bots - that is what it is there for.

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