The lend lease on Soviet Union

[PrivateMarkosL 390]

 

Edited February 6, 2020

[bartalamey1 335]

hm... I was thinking you are from Greece

[bloodremar 281]

13 hours ago, bartalamey1 said:

hm... I was thinking you are from Greece

 

Well, now he is from the land of the free. You have been also liberated you can thank me later commie  

[PrivateMarkosL 390]

On 2/21/2020 at 1:24 PM, bartalamey1 said:

hm... I was thinking you are from Greece

But i like Eastern European countries and Serbia even if it is in Western Europe.See Greece always had good relations with Slavs and Dacians,We taught Orthodoxy to Russia and Moravia but unfortunately the Modern ''Greeks'' are perhaps let's say....ummm DUMB ASSES they prefer Western lifestyle instead of Traditional.I'm not old enough and don't have enough to travel in Eastern Europe.There's is also a rumor in my family that MAYBE my mother's grandmother's family are coming from Russia and she wants to do a DNA test.

Edited February 22, 2020

[robotpilot 51]

On 2/22/2020 at 9:21 PM, PrivateMarkosL said:

But i like Eastern European countries and Serbia even if it is in Western Europe.See Greece always had good relations with Slavs and Dacians,We taught Orthodoxy to Russia and Moravia but unfortunately the Modern ''Greeks'' are perhaps let's say....ummm DUMB ASSES they prefer Western lifestyle instead of Traditional.I'm not old enough and don't have enough to travel in Eastern Europe.There's is also a rumor in my family that MAYBE my mother's grandmother's family are coming from Russia and she wants to do a DNA test.

What is traditional Greek lifestyle lol I work with a lot of greek who fled the country bcz of ppl like you

[b.j.blazkovitch 612]

2 hours ago, robotpilot said:

What is traditional Greek lifestyle lol I work with a lot of greek who fled the country bcz of ppl like you

eat goat cheese and dance zorba, what else

[SirMrGuyHuman 477]

7 hours ago, b.j.blazkovitch said:

eat goat cheese and dance zorba, what else

MUH PENSIONSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

 

There's a reason why Greece is the black hole of the EU lmfao

[SJGunn 323]

Getting back to the lend-lease part...….. :

 

US sent non-stop convoys full of supplies, vehicles, planes, weapons, and war material for almost 4 years to the Soviets (5 years for Britain).  Soviets didn't much like our tanks and planes, but a large part of their boots came from the US and US fabric shipments made their uniforms.  One of the most important things people don't realize is US sent millions of tons of sheet steel (better quality than SU steel) that was used by Soviets for building their tanks.  Also much of the gunpowder and TNT for Soviet ammo and shells came from the US.  Yes, US did send weapons to SU, but the most important stuff sent was the materials the Soviets used to build their own stuff.  I laugh when I read articles that US didn't out-produce Germany by very much and the author measures it by US tank and plane numbers.  If you look at the war materials and supplies sent to Britain, the Soviet Union, and the various smaller countries in the war (On D-Day French and Polish Divisions were almost completely US equipped) you'll see US production crushed the German production.  

 

Lol, more reasons for H&G to combine US and SU. 

[robotpilot 51]

ВРЕМЯ, КОГДА МЫ БЫЛИ ВМЕСТЕ. Well modern russians are not that different anymore. The governments might be different but the people are not so much.

On 3/5/2020 at 3:31 PM, SJGunn said:

Getting back to the lend-lease part...….. :

 

US sent non-stop convoys full of supplies, vehicles, planes, weapons, and war material for almost 4 years to the Soviets (5 years for Britain).  Soviets didn't much like our tanks and planes, but a large part of their boots came from the US and US fabric shipments made their uniforms.  One of the most important things people don't realize is US sent millions of tons of sheet steel (better quality than SU steel) that was used by Soviets for building their tanks.  Also much of the gunpowder and TNT for Soviet ammo and shells came from the US.  Yes, US did send weapons to SU, but the most important stuff sent was the materials the Soviets used to build their own stuff.  I laugh when I read articles that US didn't out-produce Germany by very much and the author measures it by US tank and plane numbers.  If you look at the war materials and supplies sent to Britain, the Soviet Union, and the various smaller countries in the war (On D-Day French and Polish Divisions were almost completely US equipped) you'll see US production crushed the German production.  

 

Lol, more reasons for H&G to combine US and SU. 

Also don't forget that the Soviet economy was not prepared for this. The supply chain and the industry was just not there at the time SU was an autarky economy and even after the kickstart from lend lease it needed a good few years to stabilise.

[RussianSniper01 628]

On 3/4/2020 at 10:46 AM, robotpilot said:

What is traditional Greek lifestyle lol I work with a lot of greek who fled the country bcz of ppl like you

Being in debt to the rest of the world

[robotpilot 51]

4 hours ago, RussianSniper01 said:

Being in debt to the rest of the world

Owing money to the rest of the world while you are one of a continents #1 tourist destination and you are the chokepoint of asian and middle eastern trade. This whole recent crysis is just due to a typical mediterranean mismanagement of the money nothing special we see this in Italy and Spain too. If we talk about the region I vote for Bulgaria and Turkey.

 

 I add to this that judging ppl based on their government is a bad thing and it would probably not end well for you russian friend don't forget who taught you how to write... I know a lot of very capable and smart greek who can't do anything about their stupid government.

Edited March 6, 2020

[SirMrGuyHuman 477]

11 hours ago, robotpilot said:

Owing money to the rest of the world while you are one of a continents #1 tourist destination and you are the chokepoint of asian and middle eastern trade. This whole recent crysis is just due to a typical mediterranean mismanagement of the money nothing special we see this in Italy and Spain too. If we talk about the region I vote for Bulgaria and Turkey.

 

 I add to this that judging ppl based on their government is a bad thing and it would probably not end well for you russian friend don't forget who taught you how to write... I know a lot of very capable and smart greek who can't do anything about their stupid government.

It's not just the govt. 

 

Greece's government is forced to not be able to practice austerity measures that Germany and other big EU lenders give it, largely due to the Southern European people's unwillingness to forgo pervasive government welfare and social security programs that the government simply cannot afford without racking up huge amounts of debt. The only other countries in Europe that have even remotely large debt-to-GDP ratios have large, diverse economies that collect enough tax and have strong enough fiscal policy and structure to be able to withstand such trouble (ironically Greece also suffered poor tax collection due to rampant misreporting of taxes by the upper echelons of the populace, and France wants to have massive social service spending reductions because it's seriously untenable, since France has a 98.4% Debt to GDP ratio and spending went out of control under Hollande). The Greek people, much like Italians and French (riots in France over social security spending slashes are still ongoing), absolutely refuse to see their welfare state cut back because it would mean a less comfortable lifestyle, even if it comes at the expense of the entire economy of their nation, and perhaps the continent or even world if it ever reaches that point.

 

Also consider that EU monetary policy is geared more toward big economies (DE, FR, IT, SP, etc.) as opposed to smaller ones such as Greece or Portugal, leading to huge discrepancies in recovery rates. EU monetary policy is simply not designed for all countries, and it is insane to think that one set of monetary policies can somehow apply to all nations in all of the EU with some tiny economies like Lithuania with economic powerhouses like Germany (https://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/050515/why-these-european-countries-dont-use-euro.asp). EU policy is also unforgivingly strict, which is why it took so much longer to recover from the 2008 crisis compared to the United States. The US was able to respond quickly and slashed rates and loosened policy, while Europe only inched towards these processes nearly a decade later.

 

That's my take on it anyways.

 

Sorry for going wayyyyyyyyy off-topic lol. I'd rather take this discussion elsewhere than get this thread shut down.

 

Oops.

Edited March 7, 2020

[Pattan 116]

On 2/22/2020 at 10:21 PM, PrivateMarkosL said:

But i like Eastern European countries and Serbia even if it is in Western Europe.See Greece always had good relations with Slavs and Dacians,We taught Orthodoxy to Russia and Moravia but unfortunately the Modern ''Greeks'' are perhaps let's say....ummm DUMB ASSES they prefer Western lifestyle instead of Traditional.I'm not old enough and don't have enough to travel in Eastern Europe.There's is also a rumor in my family that MAYBE my mother's grandmother's family are coming from Russia and she wants to do a DNA test.

Hm never knew that. I thought that the Bulgars/Bulgarians gave the orthodox Christianity and Slavic alphabet to the Russians. Well every day I learn something new.

[skanki 53]

On 3/31/2020 at 3:40 PM, Pattan said:

Hm never knew that. I thought that the Bulgars/Bulgarians gave the orthodox Christianity and Slavic alphabet to the Russians. Well every day I learn something new.

Moscow was "a third Rome" after all

while the Constantinopole was the second one

[Dimis1987 375]

On 3/6/2020 at 10:47 PM, robotpilot said:

Owing money to the rest of the world while you are one of a continents #1 tourist destination and you are the chokepoint of asian and middle eastern trade. This whole recent crysis is just due to a typical mediterranean mismanagement of the money nothing special we see this in Italy and Spain too. If we talk about the region I vote for Bulgaria and Turkey.

 

You really think that economics can be stripped down to behavioral analysis based on the climate? There are several reasons on why Greece ended up broke in 2010 and none of them has to do with the climate. Many factors that include

 

a) historical reasons post ww2 (Greece had, proportionally to her population, one of the highest losses of civilians during the German occupation), the type of government model that was promoted during the cold war and ofc the never ending Turkish dispute over the Aegean,

b) economicohistorical reasons and how Greece's economy was driven by small private businesses and the state instead of larger internationally competitive companies and

c) strictly economic reasons and the euro.

 

All these 3 categories allowed Greece to develop fast during the 50s but in the cost of civil and political rights, then during the 80s state spending promoted a more democratic approach of government although heavily populistic and in the last 30 years, Greece due to eurozone policy had to alter its state driven development to a more private one but with mostly small family-based businesses around services (trade and tourism mainly) it was no easy task and it made extremely hard to set and collect taxes as small businesses are both easy to evade taxes and too fragile when heavily taxed at the same time. Lastly, let’s not forget the fact that Greece remained the first spender on defences among EU Nato members (proportionally to gdp) throughout the euro crisis and the only nato member alongside Turkey that did not reduce their defence budget after the end of the cold war.

So, is it the fault of Greek governments that things went so bad? Absolutely. Is it solely on them? No, ofc not, the eurozone structure forced Greece to adapt to a different environment and the transition was neither smooth nor perfect. Was it on the climate or the culture? Lol, that’s some “Bild” type of bs for mass consumption with no merit.